Is this season just objectively bad and I never realized?

[garfan]

If Buffy had gone up against the First that attacked Faith and the Watchers, her incompetence would have got them slaughtered.

You mean like Faith's attack went and the Watchers were?

Which makes no sense as they were supposed to be locked in,

Turok-Han appeared at the bomb attack didn't they? Possibly something to do with town being abandoned

I mean the First plan makes no sense. It wants to inhabit every human person yet its got an Army thats going to wipe out all human people !. Contradictory to say the least

Well, I suppose if everyone you want to wipe out is controlled by you it'd be easier to do it

She was retroactively proven right because writer fiat that the main character is always right.

And she was only ever erong in the first place because of the writers

 

[Btvs fan]

You mean like Faith's attack went and the Watchers were?


Turok-Han appeared at the bomb attack didn't they? Possibly something to do with town being abandoned

Well, I suppose if everyone you want to wipe out is controlled by you it'd be easier to do it


And she was only ever erong in the first place because of the writers

Just curious but what's your thoughts on killing Spike off in Season 7 even though everyone knew that he was coming back to Angel the following year ?
It felt a lot like when Joss killed Buffy in the Gift even though everyone knew they were moving to UPN

 

[November]

I always saw season 7 the closest to a comic book. In my mind, it is the comic book season. I dont much like comic books, but didnt mind the season so much. I was happy to have the characters on my screen, and I am still glad we got more, but season 7 did have a very different feel to it.

 

[Mott1]

Halfway through a rewatch, and I think this season suffers from too many fake outs. Spike's insane - no, he's sane again. Spike's gone evil - no, it was The First & a song. Spike's jealous of Angel - no, he's still a good guy. Giles is dead and The First is impersonating him - no, he isn't. Willow's turning back into Dark Willow - no, she's still control. Anya's evil again - yes, she is, and now she's not because she undid it. Wood's going to get revenge on Spike - no, they're uneasy allies again. Lots of the plots were interesting in themselves, but whereas s6, for example, developed each thread to often tragic conclusions (and was remarkably heavy-going) I feel it wasn't always trying to trick the audience and told more of a coherent story.

 

[Btvs fan]

Halfway through a rewatch, and I think this season suffers from too many fake outs. Spike's insane - no, he's sane again. Spike's gone evil - no, it was The First & a song. Spike's jealous of Angel - no, he's still a good guy. Giles is dead and The First is impersonating him - no, he isn't. Willow's turning back into Dark Willow - no, she's still control. Anya's evil again - yes, she is, and now she's not because she undid it. Wood's going to get revenge on Spike - no, they're uneasy allies again. Lots of the plots were interesting in themselves, but whereas s6, for example, developed each thread to often tragic conclusions (and was remarkably heavy-going) I feel it wasn't always trying to trick the audience and told more of a coherent story.

You forgot Wood with the Shovel burying Jonathan's body that also went no where.

The writers themselves admitted that Caleb was only brought in last minute because they needed something for Buffy to hit as she can't actually hit the First. This revelation always floored me, like how could Joss or any of the writers not know this rather obvious issue !!!!

Season 6 had issues to albiet different ones. The writers having to go online and assure fans that no Normal Agains reveal ending did not mean its all in Buffys Head, was a big red flag. Again how could they not have known that.

 

[NotASlayer]

The writers themselves admitted that Caleb was only brought in last minute because they needed something for Buffy to hit as she can't actually hit the First. This revelation always floored me, like how could Joss or any of the writers not know this rather obvious issue !!!!

Season 6 had issues to albiet different ones. The writers having to go online and assure fans that no Normal Agains reveal ending did not mean its all in Buffys Head, was a big red flag. Again how could they not have known that.

Creative burnout and too much belief in their own abilities.

 

[garfan]

You forgot Wood with the Shovel burying Jonathan's body that also went no where.

The writers themselves admitted that Caleb was only brought in last minute because they needed something for Buffy to hit as she can't actually hit the First. This revelation always floored me, like how could Joss or any of the writers not know this rather obvious issue !!!!

Season 6 had issues to albiet different ones. The writers having to go online and assure fans that no Normal Agains reveal ending did not mean its all in Buffys Head, was a big red flag. Again how could they not have known that.

I've always felt that Joss had some desire to be a comic writer and in comics when you see a physically powerful hero defeat a villain they can't touch for some reason or another, it often makes an entertaining story. It's all cerebral, you know?

I think they were going for something similar in season 4 where Maggie Walsh was the initial Big Bad. Like Buffy could touch her, but how satisfying would it have been?

 

[Btvs fan]

I've always felt that Joss had some desire to be a comic writer and in comics when you see a physically powerful hero defeat a villain they can't touch for some reason or another, it often makes an entertaining story. It's all cerebral, you know?

I think they were going for something similar in season 4 where Maggie Walsh was the initial Big Bad. Like Buffy could touch her, but how satisfying would it have been?

The Actress who played Maggie said it was Joss who decided to kill her off, not her leaving as commonly thought by fans.

 

[garfan]

The Actress who played Maggie said it was Joss who decided to kill her off, not her leaving as commonly thought by fans.

yeah, and this works with my idea. They don't want her just to get arrested or escape consequences but they don't want Buffy to kill her, so they kill her off early

 

[Btvs fan]

yeah, and this works with my idea. They don't want her just to get arrested or escape consequences but they don't want Buffy to kill her, so they kill her off early

But by this point Buffys attempted to kill Faith. Buffy killing Maggie shouldn't be a huge leap

 

[garfan]

But by this point Buffys attempted to kill Faith. Buffy killing Maggie shouldn't be a huge leap

Maggie has no enhanced abilities. Faith could have won the fight with Buffy

 

[Anyanka Bunny Slayer]

Honestly, both S6/S7 were awful and unnecessary. As much as I adore Nathan, Caleb was like an underpaid actor in a cheesy horror film. The First just wasn't scary to me, neither were the Uber Vamps.

Spike attempting to assault Buffy was totally gross, Sineya wrapped in hospital gauze was a joke, and seeing Spike cowering in a basement was beyond the pale.

The things I did like were: When Willow went dark side with the Asian girl who was flipping out, Dawn and her friend sneaking out only to discover vampires, and the appearance of Giles counseling Willow about returning to Sunnydale. Tabula Rasa was amazing as well. Anya accidentally conjuring a wave of bunnies had me laughing my butt off.

I've already said how much I LOVE the Sluggoth Demon, so now I'm off to play kitten poker...

 

[NotASlayer]

The First just wasn't scary to me,

Picking as the final bad of the series a monster whose previous appearance had resulted in it being made fun of in the show was... a choice to be certain. And it couldn't do anything! It would show up, make threats it literally couldn't back up and everyone would have to try and make out like it was oh so scary as it did... nothing. Its minions were more effective.

neither were the Uber Vamps.

The first was impressive. After that, not so much. But given that everyone in show thought they would be as bad as the first Uber Vamp, for everyone to go along with Buffy's plan just made them look stupid. "Heh, let's go up against tens of thousands of vampires that required one experienced Slayer several minutes with a shiny toy to kill with just a few dozen baby Slayers without shiny geegaws!" Everyone should have gone, "Not a frackin' chance we're doing something that dumb."

 

[Anyanka Bunny Slayer]

The first was impressive. After that, not so much. But given that everyone in show thought they would be as bad as the first Uber Vamp for everyone to go along with Buffy's plan just made them look stupid.

From this point on, I'll refer to them as the Turkey Basters. Has a nice ring to it, and would be such a great name for a band. 😄