Dark Willow and Redeemability

[NoShip]

Right after she'd killed a fraternity. I'm thinking that is up there with killing Angel. Much as we care about Anya, as long as she is unrepentant and the people are dead, Buffy really has little choice but to treat her as an imminent threat. She was fulfilling wishes and doing it with deadly effect. Slayers can't allow wanton murder even if they care about the perpetrator.

My problem is Buffy's lack of consistancy. She goes straight to Slay mode with Anya and protects Spike who only shows remorse for trying to rape Buffy and shows no remorse for the other atrocities he committed against Buffy and everyone else. Passing time in the basement waiting for Buffy to come up with something for Spike to do, doesn't count as contrition.

Also, Spike's trigger is an imminent existential threat to the entire Slayer line that Buffy blows off. Just..... because.....

So..... if Buffy is going to default to the death penalty for Anya, she needs to default to the death penalty for Spike.

A serious question: Do Vengence Demons have human souls? I don't know and can't remember any time it was brought up. I've seen many posters claim that Anya "had a soul" when she committed her atrocities, so, killing her is righteous, but, I don't remember seeing vengence demon souls addressed on screen at all. As bad as the vampire soul canon is, the vengence demon soul cannon is 100,000 times worse.

 

[NotASlayer]

My problem is Buffy's lack of consistancy. She goes straight to Slay mode with Anya and protects Spike who only shows remorse for trying to rape Buffy and shows no remorse for the other atrocities he committed against Buffy and everyone else. Passing time in the basement waiting for Buffy to come up with something for Spike to do, doesn't count as contrition.

Also, Spike's trigger is an imminent existential threat to the entire Slayer line that Buffy blows off. Just..... because.....

So..... if Buffy is going to default to the death penalty for Anya, she needs to default to the death penalty for Spike.

Spike is much more of an imminent threat. Anyanka 2.0 is a wish granter; no-one makes a wish, she has little power. Sure, she's more capable in combat than Anyanka 1.0, who couldn't even knock Giles out - humans can do that! - but she hadn't shown any desire to attack anyone (Buffy attacked her). Also, why was it necessary for Halfrek to die? Last time they undid all of Anyanka 1.0's wishes by destroying her amulet. Admittedly, they don't know that. And Anya had been much, much more helpful than Spike, whose main role up until W&H blew him up was to be the load.

A serious question: Do Vengence Demons have human souls? I don't know and can't remember any time it was brought up. I've seen many posters claim that Anya "had a soul" when she committed her atrocities, so, killing her is righteous, but, I don't remember seeing vengence demon souls addressed on screen at all. As bad as the vampire soul canon is, the vengence demon soul cannon is 100,000 times worse.

It's not known; it's assumed. There is almost no lore in the series about vengeance demons, whether they have souls, how they are created or anything. Heck, Selfless changed most of what was known about Anya's past up to that point, including her name! Which makes it impossible to take any claims in that episode seriously. Slayers tried to fix some of the lore, by making them into a human possessed by a vengeance demon; that makes them comparable to vampires in some ways. Vengeance demons are living humans possessed by demons, whilst vampires are walking corpses possessed by demons.

 

[Btvs fan]

Spike is much more of an imminent threat. Anyanka 2.0 is a wish granter; no-one makes a wish, she has little power. Sure, she's more capable in combat than Anyanka 1.0, who couldn't even knock Giles out - humans can do that! - but she hadn't shown any desire to attack anyone (Buffy attacked her). Also, why was it necessary for Halfrek to die? Last time they undid all of Anyanka 1.0's wishes by destroying her amulet. Admittedly, they don't know that. And Anya had been much, much more helpful than Spike, whose main role up until W&H blew him up was to be the load.



It's not known; it's assumed. There is almost no lore in the series about vengeance demons, whether they have souls, how they are created or anything. Heck, Selfless changed most of what was known about Anya's past up to that point, including her name! Which makes it impossible to take any claims in that episode seriously. Slayers tried to fix some of the lore, by making them into a human possessed by a vengeance demon; that makes them comparable to vampires in some ways. Vengeance demons are living humans possessed by demons, whilst vampires are walking corpses possessed by demons.

You can also have half human half demons like Doyle

 

[garfan]

Spike is much more of an imminent threat. Anyanka 2.0 is a wish granter; no-one makes a wish, she has little power. Sure, she's more capable in combat than Anyanka 1.0, who couldn't even knock Giles out - humans can do that! - but she hadn't shown any desire to attack anyone (Buffy attacked her). Also, why was it necessary for Halfrek to die? Last time they undid all of Anyanka 1.0's wishes by destroying her amulet. Admittedly, they don't know that. And Anya had been much, much more helpful than Spike, whose main role up until W&H blew him up was to be the load.

they also hadn't shown an amulet this time around. Anya was first made a vengeance demon like 1200 years before. Maybe there was an upgrade in the process since then

 

[NotASlayer]

they also hadn't shown an amulet this time around. Anya was first made a vengeance demon like 1200 years before. Maybe there was an upgrade in the process since then

I wondered that; after all, it proved to be a serious point of failure. And Anyanka 2.0 was a notably stronger fighter. Or it could well be they simply forgot; the show wasn't great on the whole with some continuity when it came to lore and it was especially bad in the last two seasons where it seemed the writers hadn't watched the first five.