Angel Season 4 Rewatch

@hoponlilmama @Joan the Vampire Slayer

So Iv finished Souless and the first half of Season 4. As an episode Souless is very good and well directed by Samwise Gamgee himself. Which goes to show Hobbits watch Angel too ๐Ÿ˜€
Angelus psychologically torturing the gang is very good. As is the scene of Connor crying over the dead family.
If I had an issue its that some of the dialogue done, rape jokes/taunts just don't work for me and I don't find them that clever. But still a really good episode and a good way to end the first half of the season 8/10

As for the first half itself. Contrary to what's often said, its actually really strong and good run of episodes. The Beast is great as is the mystery around him. Lilah/Wes has to be one of the best relationships on either show. While his obsession with Fred is shown just that an obsession. Also Angel himself is deliberately written as an arsehole rather than unintentionally by the writers which is good.
So whats wrong: Well Fred basically just becomes a possession for Gunn and Wes. The murder of the Professor and how Gunn feels about it or about doing it for Fred is basically ignored in favour of the Ownership (its not Love) triangle stuff.
The other is the Cordy/Connor stuff, which while gross doesn't bother me because of the backstage issues behind it. What does is the writing. Ok so if you've seen the first 11 episodes and not seen the rest you wonder what the hell Cordy is playing at sleeping with Angels son, who she was a surrogate mother too and the son of the man she's meant to be in love with. If you've seen the other 12 episodes you wonder what the hell Jasmine is up to (ignoring episode 5 as that was Cordy) because her guilt and shame and other actions make no sense in respect to her plan either. Hell even if you went with the original evil Cordy plan the writers said they had, her actions still don't make sense.
Anyway on to the 2nd half
 
Re: Deep Down; I hated the Latino Vampire Street Gang. Like, Hispanics have been in California for several hundred years, you could have cast them as anything, yet these guys look like rejects from the Walker Texas Ranger x Breaking Bad crossover. I'm not saying this is like hiring Tony Todd to play "Homeboy #2," these are clearly character actors. But it's just like, you could have had vampire Desi Arnez leading two Zoot Suit rioters, and you went with Hispanic Dukes of Hazzard?
 
AlphaFoxtrot said:
Re: Deep Down; I hated the Latino Vampire Street Gang. Like, Hispanics have been in California for several hundred years, you could have cast them as anything, yet these guys look like rejects from the Walker Texas Ranger x Breaking Bad crossover. I'm not saying this is like hiring Tony Todd to play "Homeboy #2," these are clearly character actors. But it's just like, you could have had vampire Desi Arnez leading two Zoot Suit rioters, and you went with Hispanic Dukes of Hazzard?
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There's loads of stereotypes in the Buffy Verse, not least Tweed wearing English posh boys who contrast with the hip cool Americans.
Hell Gunn was pretty much the only black character in LA and the Angel writers still felt awkward writing him.
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Cavalry - Its credited with 3 writers but actually its 4.
Mere Smith wrote the Exposition scenes and Gunn/Fred scenes in the Hotel
Steven D, Knight did the Angelus in the cage scenes
Jeff Bell did the Connor/Gunn fight with the Demon in the cemetery.
And Joss Whedon although uncredited did the Evil Cordelia reveal scene murder of Lilah - Back story is Stephanie Romanov asked for raise. Joss said no albiet not that politely and she gave her notice.

Overall its a good episode until Angelus gets out of the cage then he comes across as a bit of an idiot. A few issues with the rape lines in the dialogue.
Plus that final scene, in character why would Cordy risk discovery when Angelus should be able to kill Lilah himself. In fact why does she even care to want Lilah dead ?????
 
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@hoponlilmama @NotASlayer @Fuffy Baith @Joan the Vampire Slayer @NoShip @thetopher

Ok so I reviewed the Faith episodes previously on the Buffy Rewatch (I did the Crossovers) I will say this, it's funny that on Buffy S7 that Faith says she's not the take charge type, when in these episodes she quite literally does take charge when capturing Angelus ๐Ÿ˜‚

Some great stunt work, especially Faith and Wesley busting out of jail in Salvage and the Faith v Angelus fight scene is one of the best fight scenes on the show, probably only bested by Spike v Angel next year.

Also Wesley/Willow had some pretty hot chemistry in there Orpheus scene.

Overall Salvage is good not great due to how stupid Angelus is. Release is really good even though Angelus is stupid.
Orpheus is ok but not good due to how stupid evil Cordy is. Though Faith beating up Connor is funny

Ok on to Players
 
Ok so Im 15 episodes into Season 4 and besides Slouching Towards Bethlehem there's none Id call bad and Orpheus aside which was meh I would probably do a rewatch of most of them.
Season 4 gets a bad rap. Honestly in a head to head Id say it was probably better than Buffy S7 too
What say you ?
 
I didn't hate it; I just didn't like it very much. For me, it's a meh season. But is was still much, much better than the last two seasons of Buffy.
 
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