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For the ones who don't have positive opinions about season 7 - what are some of the things you do enjoy or like about it?

Joshua

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Things I love:

  1. The first ten episodes (Lessons to Bring on the Night) is some of my favorite stretch of the UPN era of Buffy.
  2. I love Faith's redemption storyline from Angel season 4 to her return on Buffy season 7
  3. Anya's comedic timing in "Him" was my favorite part of the episode.
  4. The ending of Lessons where The First poses as old Big Baddies were great way to reintroduce the character after disappearing after "Amends"
 

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- Willow and Faith's development is very good, I think the change in them as people is so clear and it's very satisfying.
- Dawn's development as a character even though it felt like they gave up on it halfway.
- Individual episodes like Help, Conversations With Dead People, Same Time Same Place, Lessons.
- The soundtrack.
- The First coming back as dead people like Nikki, The Mayor, and the other big bads.
- The ending of Chosen is perfect, ignoring the bad implications of the spell.
 

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- Willow and Faith's development is very good, I think the change in them as people is so clear and it's very satisfying.
- Dawn's development as a character even though it felt like they gave up on it halfway.
- Individual episodes like Help, Conversations With Dead People, Same Time Same Place, Lessons.
- The soundtrack.
- The First coming back as dead people like Nikki, The Mayor, and the other big bads.
- The ending of Chosen is perfect, ignoring the bad implications of the spell.
The First appearing to Faith as The Mayor was a fantastic scene
 
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Yeah I loved it, it's always great to see The Mayor

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I'd say that the first 7-8 episodes are pretty strong for the most part (discounting 'Beneath You' & 'Never Leave Me') and the reveal of The First is well executed because the clues are all there from the very 'first' episode. Most of the problems with the season only really begin with the arrival of the Potentials.

Dawn's development is a huge step up from the previous season; she's funnier, sassier, more useful and accepted as part of the group as a result, we get to see her on her own in the new high school setting a few times, but not really enough. Also 'Potential' has some great Dawn moments and is a strong episode for her.

In theory I like that many of the episodes are dealing with various aspects of the Big Bad threat (its part of what I like about Angel S4) from the Turok-Han to training, to dealing with the seal-thingy to Buffy going to the Shadow Men for help, etc, but it all ends up feeling very same-y and half the time the character decisions seem stupid/contrived.
I think that's because ultimately the characters are not driving the plot, they are more often reacting to it and not really uncovering any information. In AtS 4 the balance it better handled as the mystery keeps unfolding.

Faith and Caleb's arrivals are a massive shot in the arm the end of the season needs and the pacing/sense of threat goes from turgid to urgent. From that standpoint the last few episodes feel much more dynamic than the middle ones. Plus its nice to see Faith play off characters in new and interesting ways.

Xander's quiet, behind the scenes involvement and support is well handled.

End Of Days & Chosen are strong episodes with a nice balance of character moments and looming apocalypse. And the end battle is pretty stirring and epic.

Riley getting one of his guys to refer to Spike as assface even as he helps Buffy; that was funny.

That's all I can remeber from memory but I'm starting a re-watch soon, so who knows what I'll (re)discover.
 
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There are moments I like, but most are in the first half (Giles playing D&D in the latter part did make me laugh and can make me grin thinking about it), and most have already been done better in earlier seasons.

As much as I loathe this season, Conversations with Dead People is one of my favorite of the series. I do think it could've been done a lot better, but I'm left with the impression that the writers (and actors) did the best they could with what they had in good faith, so am forgiving of the parts I felt neglected or done poorly. And it helped move the plot forth brilliantly. On my first watch, this one had me excited for the rest of the season I had yet to watch (even more than the first ep which I also liked).

And one scene I love that I wish they'd have more like in earlier seasons (not necessarily Spike being involved). Buffy is lured down into a basement when vampires erupt out of the ground in a planned ambush of the Slayer which she is instantly surrounded without any help, and made the vampires actually feel threatening again. I find it too hard to coherently compare and contrast this with Lie to Me, but in interest of this thread I will say that the "vampire betrayal" at the end was much more satisfying to me than in Lie to Me.
 
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That was about the most horrifying vampires had been in several seasons.

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Yeah, "Dirty Girls" was a really good episode. I was living in a city without a UPN station, so I had to read the Wildfeed summaries*, and it was totally shocking to hear what Caleb did to both the team in general and Xander in particular. That was a really promising first episode to a finale arc that, well, had its moments.

*Wildfeed: Back in the day, the Networks would broadcast their programing to their affiliates in the middle of the night to be recorded, then played at the appropriate prime time. College TV stations usually had the equipment to receive these transmissions as well. Websites would post reviews, much to the chargin of the network.
 

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The first 7 episodes are awesome and the group dynamic feels like the scoobies are as close as ever and there’s a lot of warmth and heart there. I like how Buffy’s allowed to be happy for 5 minutes before they then kick in the relentless misery. There a lot of character exploration and they set up arcs for each of the characters well in the first third - the conclusion to these arcs don’t come off but they started really well

I also enjoy End of Days and Chosen. Potential I find an easy watch as well with a nice message
 

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I love Faith's redemption storyline and how she busts out of jail to help Angel, and then Buffy.

The alley scene in Beneath You is heartbreaking, lovely and beautifully written and one of my favorite scenes in the whole series.

I think Him is hysterical.

Conversations with Dead People and Lies My Parents Told Me, are in my top ten favorite episodes.

But overall, the season is not my favorite.
 

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Interesting question. Hmm...

- The idea of having The First take the appearance of every big bad so far at the end of "Lessons" was really neat. Too bad they didn't do much of anything with that.
- I liked the decision to bring back Sunnydale High.
- The season continued the Buffyverse tradition of having really good, unique stand-alone episodes every season with "Conversations with Dead People" and "Storyteller".
- The season made me appreciate Andrew more.
- I loved Buffy's speech at the end of "Bring On the Night".
- The last stretch of episodes involving Caleb were quite fun and saved the season for me.
- The finale was very good, with a good mix of drama, action, and throwbacks. Plus, the ending was satisfying.

I think that's about it. Everything else ranged from frustrating to average for me. It is my least favorite season of the show.
 
AlphaFoxtrot
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It's possible you might be able to append "Too bad they didn't do much of anything with that." to every comment about the season.

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Oh, Ashanti is hot. Sure, she's a terrible actress. I am glad to see Xander, for all his struggles, is able to talk to girls now. It saddens me to think that "The One Where Buffy Fights a Fembot, a.k.a. Joyceless" "I Was Made To Love You" may have been like that if Britney Spears guest starred. But the whole working out since she was like 14 really worked out for her.
 
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I can live with season 7 up to conversations with dead people after that it all became all about Spike, Chosen should have been over 2 episodes and a much better plan than Buffy leading everyone on a suicide trip? maybe Buffy should have got Riley and the military involved, after all she could ring him to get Spikes chip removed but not telling him about the first ???? makes no sense
 
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If you ask me Spike's chip only got removed so he could physically be a dick to humans again.
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I'll agree with everyone here that the first 7 episodes of S7 are great. CWDP is flawed but pretty good too. Still sore that Xander was cut from that episode, having Jesse show up would have been great. I do like Chosen, even if I don't love it, and the last five episodes are good, not great, but generally enjoyable. If you ignore the everyone turning on Buffy (again) part.
 
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